Is It Time To Reevaluate Your Opinion About TrueCar?

I have seen many issues polarize dealers, and at times energize them during my 30 years in the car business. Very few issues have rallied so many people in the auto industry to cry out than the advent of TrueCar’s advertising campaign in the Fall of 2011. In fact, since the creation of the two automotive professional networks I am involved with, AutomotiveDigitalMarketing.com and DealerELITE.net, there has been no other issue that has attracted even a tenth of the visitors to these sites, or engagement in the form of comments and subsequent posts… From October 2011 through January 2012 the most popular subject matter on many online sites catering to people working in the car business was the thorough vilifying of TrueCar.

Meanwhile, the outcry from dealers reached a crescendo of volume that was enough to get many State Dealer Associations and a handful of state regulators to “investigate” TrueCar for potential violation of everything from brokering without a license, to operating out of compliance with advertising regulations.

Amazingly enough, despite all the name calling and personal bashing that executives at TrueCar received, not a single “cease and desist” letter was sent, or lawsuit was filed by TrueCar against those of us who pushed our criticism of TrueCar beyond the boundaries of civilized and professional discussion or debate. In hindsight, I am very surprised that TrueCar took such a beating without resorting to legal measures against some of the worst name callers and accusers, including yours truly!

After receiving several phone calls and speaking with Scott Painter in December 2011 I put off visiting TrueCar’s headquarters at their invitation until just a few weeks ago. My first encounter with TrueCar executives on a face to face basis was in March 2012, at the Automotive Leadership Roundtable in Miami, FL. Bernie Brenner from TrueCar’s board came over to my table and asked me if I would sit with the TrueCar team during the lunch session and discuss changes they were making to their business model. Curiosity piqued, I accepted. Looking back on that lunch, I gave the TrueCar executive team a fairly strong rebuttal… I was polite, but explained my objections to their business model as inserting an unnecessary dealer expense. Mike Timmons, Bernie Brenner and a couple other TrueCar executives were polite, rational in their explanations and determined to convince me that they had seen many of the problems with their pricing models and were making changes so that TrueCar would make sense for dealers as a means of acquiring incremental business at about half of what the NADA average cost of advertising is Per Vehicle Retailed (PVR). At the time I remained resolute in my stated opinion that TrueCar was a bad deal for car dealers. However, I will admit that maintaining that opinion in the light of new information, changes TrueCar was making and the logic around their affinity model was already starting to erode the certainty I had in my position on TrueCar… Not that I was admitting any of that at the time!

The next time I saw any TrueCar executives was at Digital Dealer 12 in Orlando last April… Bernie Brenner approached me and asked me to bring any dealers who were avid TrueCar haters to him so he could meet them and listen to their grievances. Seemed like an odd request, but he was sincere and the entire TrueCar team was looking for people with negative perceptions of their company so they could show them all the aspects of their business model that had been changed, so that with new information these dealers might reevaluate their perception of the benefits of doing business with TrueCar.

What I have since learned is that from the beginning of January through May of 2012, TrueCar experienced a large number of dealers cancelling their TrueCar agreements and dropping out of the TrueCar program. This, combined with various state legislative issues is what prompted TrueCar to make so many dramatic changes to the way they do business. They simply had to change in order to move forward. Something that more people in the car business ought to consider!

When I accepted TrueCar’s invitation to visit their headquarters in Santa Monica, CA the timing was perfect… I arrived the day before a “all hands on deck” meeting where every TrueCar employee who works out of the headquarters was traveling in to attend. During my visit and tour I was able to spend more than an hour of quality time in detailed conversation with Scott Painter. Mike Timmons arrived a couple hours after I did and took me on a tour to meet various team leaders and department heads in the two building that TrueCar operates out of. I met many people and watched a team of TrueCar employees working directly with dealers all over the country, helping them to put deals together and sell cars. The people I met were intelligent, well spoken and knew what their part of the TrueCar mission was, and how it tied into selling cars. What I found was hardly a bastion of evil, nor were there any indicators that they were trying to eliminate car dealers or harm anyone working in a dealership. Like many companies I have visited, such as Edmunds, Kelley Blue Book, Dealix, AutoUSA, Cobalt, Reynolds, ADP and others, what I found at TrueCar was over 250 people who are educated and intelligent going about their specific duties and focused on generating more car sales for their participating dealers.

So, what about all these so called “changes” that TrueCar has made since the end of 2011? Let’s take a look at ten of them, why TrueCar made the changes and their intended impact.

10 Key TrueCar Changes – January to April 2012

In late 2011, TrueCar started receiving significant feedback – much of it critical – from the automotive retailing industry including dealers, dealer associations, manufacturers and industry consultants. In the first half of 2012, TrueCar made substantial changes to address industry concerns. By no means is TrueCar finished with implementing changes and revisions, but they do feel they have taken the necessary actions to ensure TrueCar is acting as a key auto industry partner.

Listed below are 10 key changes that TrueCar provided to me, which I subsequently edited for greater accuracy. I have validated this list with people inside and outside of TrueCar, as well viewed related documents supporting the implementation of these changes and further verified with dealers currently using TrueCar:

1. Changed Website Experience Nationwide and Billing Model in Certain States to Address Regulatory Compliance Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Through trade publications, dealer association communications and social media sites, there was a lot of attention on whether TrueCar’s business model complied with the existing regulatory framework in certain states.

What TrueCar Did: Completely overhauled its website experience to address state-specific concerns related to advertising regulations. Among other changes, dealers no longer communicate price offers relative to invoice through the TrueCar website experience. Additionally, “bait and switch” concerns have been addressed through website features expressly clarifying that TrueCar.com users who use the website to explore the new car market are configuring “virtual vehicles” – not vehicles that are actually in inventory at participating dealers. TrueCar has also implemented a subscription-based billing model in certain states. 30 of the 50 states continue with TrueCar’s pay for performance model, while 19 other states have variations designed to comply with that state’s laws. Louisiana remains a state not served by TrueCar.

2. Overhauled Display of Information on TrueCar Price Curves and Dealer Portal to Address Dealer Concerns

What TrueCar Heard: Though not their intent, TrueCar heard loud and clear from dealers that the TrueCar price curves and Dealer Portal did not provide the most contextualized, relevant, and informative display of information to assist consumers and dealers.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar realizes that their success depends on providing services that result in a better car buying experience for dealers and consumers. TrueCar changed the TrueCar price curves in January to provide more robust, comprehensive data that allows consumers to understand what constitutes a “fair” price in the current market. They also switched from providing “network-pricing” information in the Dealer Portal (which focused on the pricing of other TrueCar dealers) to providing “market-based” pricing information driven by recent transactions in the dealer’s local market area (not just transactions by TrueCar dealers).

3. Reduced DMS Data Received From Dealers

What We Heard: A small number of industry consultants used social media sites (such as Automotive Digital Marketing and dealerELITE) to spread misinformation that participating dealers’ sales matching data was being used to create the TrueCar price curves and/or that TrueCar actively markets to customers found in the dealers’ DMS. TrueCar data security executives swear, and all evidence I have seen shows that these are both myths.

What TrueCar Did: TrueCar only requires dealers to provide customer contact information (name, address, phone, email for buyer and co-buyer) and basic vehicle information (VIN, make/model/trim, year, new/used, stock number, sale date) in order to perform the sales matching, billing (in states with performance-based billing models), dealer scoring and analytics and reporting aspects of their business. TrueCar does not directly access dealer DMS systems and they never have. Their data extraction, normalization and compilation is handled by respected third-party vendors, such as Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink. All dealers also have the option to “push” their sales matching data via FTP to TrueCar’s third-party vendors; the data received by TrueCar is the same whether the dealer chooses automated or manual sales data reporting. To address concerns that TrueCar was receiving extraneous data from its third-party vendors, TrueCar worked with both Digital Motorworks (DMi) and Netlink in February, 2012 to remove all unused fields from the data feeds sent to TrueCar, reducing the fields to just those listed above. Although I was aware that this was a false objection to TrueCar as far back as last December, it still seems like a lot of people in the business are under the false assumption that TrueCar uses DMS data for pricing curves. The reality is that they do not need DMS data to do their pricing reports, and what they would get from participating dealer DMS would be inadequate to provide the reporting they do.

4. Rolled Out More “Dealer-Friendly” Dealer Agreement, Including Indemnification

What TrueCar Heard: Some dealers told TrueCar that the dealer agreement needed to be more fair to the dealer.

What TrueCar Did: In February, they rolled out a new dealer agreement, the key aspects of which include: (i) dealers can cancel at any time for any or no reason; (ii) more clarity and control on how dealers provide sales reporting data to TrueCar; (iii) confirmation that the dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to create TrueCar price curves; and (iv) confirmation that dealers’ sales reporting data is NOT used to send marketing-related communications to customers. In April, TrueCar added a limited indemnification provision to the new dealer agreement. The decision to indemnify dealers is another manifestation of TrueCar’s commitment to their dealer partners and underscores that they are fully invested in standing behind the services that TrueCar provides to dealers.

5. Launched TrueCar National Dealer Council

What TrueCar Heard: Many dealers, dealer associations and manufacturers expressed concern that TrueCar was making major product, process and policy changes without incorporating feedback from dealers.

What TrueCar Did: In April, 2012 TrueCar launched a National Dealer Council with 20 Members representing 24 states, 35 unique makes and 281 franchises. The purpose of the Council is to ensure TrueCar is actively listening to dealers, and the Council is chaired by Gary Marcotte (former SVP Marketing & Strategy at AutoNation). The inaugural full-day Council meeting in April was reported as being "excellent" by those who participated, and TrueCar executives received much appreciated feedback from the Dealer Council Members. Going forward, the Council will meet periodically with TrueCar senior executives to provide guidance on how TrueCar can improve the services it provides to dealers.

6. Initiated Dealer Associations Outreach

What TrueCar Learned: TrueCar had not historically communicated with state and large metro dealer associations and paid a price for not directly engaging this important constituency.

What TrueCar Did: In March, TrueCar hired Pat Watson, VP of Industry Relations, to directly communicate and work collaboratively with dealer associations on how to help their mutual partners – dealers. Pat is the former CEO of the South Carolina Automobile Dealers Association, where he worked for 38 years.

7. Started Participating In Key Industry Conferences

What TrueCar Learned: Prior to 2012, TrueCar did not have an active presence at key industry conferences, which was perceived by some as an indication that TrueCar did not care to engage directly with the industry.

What TrueCar Did: In 2012, TrueCar has sponsored and actively participated at key industry conferences, including Automotive Leadership Roundtable in March and Digital Dealer 12 in April, and the upcoming AutoCon 2012 in September. TrueCar will continue to have an active presence at future conferences, including Digital Dealer 13, Driving Sales, J.D. Power Automotive Internet Roundtable, various 20 Groups, trade associations and dealer group events.

8. Improved TrueCar’s Social Media Response and Presence

What TrueCar Learned: Social media can be a powerful medium for individuals in the automotive retail industry to share opinions and stories that shape perceptions of many automotive professionals.

What TrueCar Did: Mike Timmons, EVP of TrueCar and an auto retailing veteran (VP Operations AutoNation; independent auto dealer; new car sales and management) has taken ownership of monitoring and responding as appropriate to social media related to TrueCar and industry-related issues. Additionally, Mike has directly reached out to key TrueCar detractors to understand and address their concerns, as well as to correct any misinformation, and he will continue to do so. In the future, TrueCar will be taking a more proactive approach to leverage social media to showcase their product, services and changes in the way they do business.

9. Increased Communication With Manufacturers

Before: Previously, TrueCar’s communication with manufacturers was sporadic and reactionary, sometimes leading to significant misconceptions.

What TrueCar Did: In the past four months, Larry Dominique, EVP Data Solutions, with over 27 years of OEM experience (former VP Advanced and Product Planning and Strategy, Nissan, plus stints at GM and Chrysler), has met with key decision makers from 20 car companies to listen to their concerns and inform them as to what TrueCar is really all about. Going forward, TrueCar will continue to directly engage with OEM management to discuss ways that TrueCar can improve the services it provides to their dealer networks.

10. Added More Dealer Support

What TrueCar Heard: Dealers told TrueCar they want more face time and direct support from TrueCar dealer-facing personnel.

What TrueCar Did: In the first four months of 2012, they added 13 new employees to the TrueCar Dealer Development Team, including Ken Potter (VP Dealer Development; former VP & GM of Internet Brands / CarsDirect; former GM of two dealerships), Amir Rizkalla (Director Account Management; formerly of Fisker Automotive and Toyota), two Area Sales Managers and four Account Managers. TrueCar is currently looking to hire 9 additional dealer-facing employees in the next 60 days, including six more Area Sales Managers (Philadelphia, Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, Des Moines, and St. Louis) as well as two more Account Managers, to ensure that they are adequately staffed to continue providing dealers with the level of support they want and need.

After traveling to TrueCar headquarters on a Monday in July and then visiting Southern California dealers, I returned home to Phoenix on Tuesday evening. Later that week I had an appointment with the owners and management team at Courtesy Chevrolet in Phoenix. This is the same Courtesy Chevrolet that I worked at from 2005 to 2007, and I have a close bond with the leadership team there… During my visit, which was to convince them to attend AutoCon 2012, I mentioned visiting TrueCar headquarters earlier in the week. The response I received from the owner and several managers was “we really like the TrueCar program, they have gotten a lot better about invoicing us and the business we get from them seems to be purely incremental… deals we would not otherwise have made.”

These statements and the discussions I had with the team at Courtesy, as well as all the information I had witnessed firsthand during my meetings at TrueCar, and from the conversations I had with at least a dozen TrueCar employees lead me to a conclusion I feel very certain about. It would be foolish for any dealer to ignore the changes that TrueCar has made and not reevaluate whether to do business with TrueCar based on the new information available and the changes TrueCar has made to the way they do business.

 

Researched and written by Ralph Paglia - The above represents my own perceptions and opinions, and does not necessarily reflect those of the ADM editorial staff or its members.

Be sure to take advantage of the opportunity to learn more about this topic and many relevant issues focused on growing a competitive advantage in automotive retail by registering and attending AutoCon 2012 in Las Vegas at the Aria Resort Conference Center from September 5th to the 8th...

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Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 14, 2012 at 7:44pm

@ Thomas, I guess I've come to an understanding that it's the quiet "Scott Painters" out there, sharks in those waters, that bother me more now.  The last thing I wanted for AutoCON was to be tied into this, and I'd also like to say that I think it's a difficult position for Chris and Ralph because their forums were the hub of the unseating of TrueCar's original frontmen.  I don't know what pressures that might've ultimately brought them to this point, financial or otherwise, but I can only speak personally that I saw a direct change from TrueCar from Mike Timmons that I really appreciated.  It happened many months ago, so it's not some motivation for this thread, and it didn't make me any money.  I don't agree with Tim, in the manner of his approach, simply because I'm a little more direct than "I don't think this isn't so but what if it IS".  The TrueCar I rose up and questioned is not the one I met in Mike, and the changes he has helped make are appreciated by ME.  As a company, they may not have changed; however, as a company, they are now not the worst.

I had an intro recently to Big Data.  Bigger than I expected.  It's a little like the movie "The Matrix", if you know that one--what we perceive as a real and random market is really trackable.  And that tracking is . . . where the money really is.

The silent "Scott Painters" surely laugh at us as we bind ourselves against this company, kind of like us tangling up one ship of a million-ship alien invasion fleet.  If they HAVE changed, it wasn't because of Scott Painter, and regardless dealers will need a vendor on their side SOMEwhere if they are to navigate the next five years.

I had no idea the market change was that big.  I've always said, to your point, that Scott Painter's departure was the real way to turn TrueCar around--the minions he first tasked to respond to dealers (his Dealer Relationship Director and his investment house's counsel) were ones he chose.  With a message he prompted and then, finally, understood put his whole company at risk.

We rioted, then, and changed some things.  If we turn into a lynch mob now, there are at least three vendors we could put in front of TrueCar in that line.  And they've never made a single effort to change their dealer-face--they just laugh at us, Thomas.

Thanks, my friend.  I don't think you're wrong.  I just think the picture is almost too big, in data, for any dealer to really comprehend.  It's not an ignorance problem, or an intelligence problem--it's a shear size problem.

Anyway, thanks.  I still think AutoCON2012 is a great conference, and I hope that the changes I saw through Mike Timmons are real for TrueCar.  Regardless, as I wrote already, the worst anti-dealer offenders have never been mentioned in these threads.  Unlike Scott's earlier declarations (good word!), they keep silent as cancer.

Comment by Thomas A. Kelly on August 14, 2012 at 7:13pm

In my opinion it is not time to reevaluate TrueCar. They do nothing long term for the Dealer. I agree 100% with Timothy Martell. Every last word he wrote. I made several posts during the TC war about TC not spreading the wealth to the right people and how they could have avoided the war altogether. Seems like they have figured that part out finally....but too late....they are what they are and Scott Painter remains at the helm and he has not taken back any of the words he spoke...they still stand....No matter who claims to speak for TC now, Scott painter is the only person who can walk back his comments declarations.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 14, 2012 at 7:02pm

tick, tick, fizzle...... very interesting.

@michael timmons, your eloquent "The world is painted" post below deserves a response...

The sound of chains are rattling... The shackles are bound tight... the will of those constrained resonates here by their absence... the silence of those who oppose is deafening.

Silence in this case is far from golden. It is a shame. I respect and support those who commented unfettered on this forum in the past. 

God Bless,

DTG

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 14, 2012 at 6:13pm

AutoCON is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT "TrueCar Reborn".  www.AutoCon2012.com.  THAT I know for sure.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 14, 2012 at 6:12pm

tick, tick, tick...

Comment by Timothy Martell on August 14, 2012 at 6:06pm

@David what don't you get about Ralph? TrueCar is sponsoring HIS conference! He's helping out his new buddies! OK so I'm being a bit of an ass about that. I'm not suggesting by any means that we don't help our clients and sponsors. And hell, maybe they've really sold Ralph on the idea that they really want to change. (Of course its an easier sell with a nice check attached to it.) 

Also, I'm in no way passing judgement on that fact either. Hell, one of the less talked about services Wikimotive offers is reputation repair. So I get it. We buy your stuff - you help us rebrand our image. 

And wether or not they've changed doesn't really matter to me. TC is participating in dealer education and that is a good thing. BUT and that is a BIIIIIG BUT, if AutoCon turns in to a marketing pitch about how great TC is and how they've changed, that would be a real shame. 

I don't have any reason to believe that IS what will happen. But IF it does then AutoCon will NOT be the great alternative to Digital Dealer that it was intended to be. From my standpoint, I hope this is just a vendor (Ralph) helping his client (TrueCar) and it will be left as it is with this article and no more TC stumping and propaganda is produced as part of AutoCon.

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 14, 2012 at 6:00pm

@David:  They were aware of the DMS access, assuming they read their contract.  I don't think that was the "evil" point--it was really perhaps misunderstanding, not misinformation, but that was what I meant by not wanting to "dig up bones".  It took a lot for me, personally reading #3, to try to let this article go and support the viewpoint that TrueCar has a future with dealers.  I think they do.  If Big Data is evil, then just about every company on data is evil, and that's about 99% of the bigger vendors, in some sense or other.

I don't want to redig those bones, please.  I just want an answer to my question.

For the record, again, I think TrueCar HAS changed, and it's up to people like Mike Timmons to carry that message--and, sometimes, to carry the water for a situation they didn't create.

I never made a dime from any opinion I gave on TrueCar positive or negative, and in fact they (through Mike) worked in favor of a dealer I consulted with and I didn't make a dime on that deal, either.  Meant a lot to me to see that change, or at least experience what may have been there under the covers all along and Mike uncovered it.

I think, actually, that TrueCar pays the price for a lot of hubris mixed with bad timing, as many data aggregators today still present "How To Screw the Evil Dealer Because They're Evil" pages on their websites!

Scott Painter, for what it's worth, should've listened to me.  Maybe he finally did listen to some of us, and here we are in what MAY WELL BE a better situation.

However, I still need my answer on #3, if I can get it.

Thanks again to TrueCar for the changes they have made, and I'm hereby on record that there are WORSE offenders now, in my mind, and perhaps always have been.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 14, 2012 at 5:36pm

@Keith, did TrueCar ask for DMS access? Or was their access hidden in the fine print of their dealer agreements... Were dealers aware of TrueCar's data polling? 

@Ralph, what misinformation are you referring to specifically? Could you bring me (us) up to speed on what "TrueCar data security executives swear, and all evidence I have seen shows that these are both myths."?

Comment by Keith Shetterly on August 14, 2012 at 5:26pm

You know, David, I was not going to go there.  However, I've decided to let everybody know that I'm perhaps offended by #3.  The actual answer from TrueCar was quite late in that game -- they did ask for DMS access, and Scott Painter did talk about how they were aggregating data from dealers (see this video at about the 6:50 mark, sorry for the commercial to start, it's just that way).  The video is a few years old, YES, but the way the questions to them were handled left much to doubt--it was really their own online fiasco, theirs to lose, and they did.  I did see them clarify that, but not at first, and that was after some loss of credibility which I am trying here to make sure they don't repeat ignorantly.

If TrueCar has changed, and I see much to say they have, I have this to say to Ralph about #3 in his article:  

Ralph, if you're referring to anything I did, then feel free to call me out by name.  If not, no harm, no foul.  Regardless, you set the rock, and now that David has turned it over, and I want to know--are you referring to anything I personally did in #3?

Thanks.

Comment by David T. Gould on August 14, 2012 at 5:01pm

I get the PR side of this for TrueCar. Not so much for Ralph.

@Michael Timmons, you remain on my respected list. I agree with Keith that you have dealt with this unfortunate matter in the best way possible. (barring your "never" statement below with @stanley esposito)

Don't really have time now to really review the ten changes... but #3 is an interesting take on where their precise pricing data is (was) coming from.

Interesting...

DTG

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